drink the old wine now ~ E.B.

JAKE TAPPER: Do you think human-induced climate emergency is a threat to the United States?

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: Well, what I will tell you is that we’ll always follow the science on that in this administration.

JAKE TAPPER: The science says —

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: But what — but what we —

JAKE TAPPER: — it is.

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: But what we won’t do — and the Clean Power Plan was all about that — was hamstringing energy in this country, raising the costs of utility rates for working families across this country.

JAKE TAPPER: But is it a threat?

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: While other nations, like China and India, do absolutely nothing or make illusory promises decades down the road to deal with it. You know, the truth of the matter is, with the advent of —

JAKE TAPPER: Yeah.

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: — natural gas, with the natural gas explosion that’s developing, with clean coal technology, we’re seeing — we’re seeing a significant reduction in carbon emissions all across this country.

JAKE TAPPER: But is what people are calling a climate emergency — is it a threat? Do you think it’s a threat, man-made climate emergency is a threat?

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: I think the answer to that is going to be based upon the science.

JAKE TAPPER: But the science says yes.

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: Well —

JAKE TAPPER: I’m asking you what you think.

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: There’s many in the science that debate —

JAKE TAPPER: The science community, in your own administration, at NOAA —

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: Yeah, I got it.

JAKE TAPPER: — at the DNI, they all say it’s a threat.

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: I got it. Look, what the president has said —

JAKE TAPPER: But you won’t, for some reason.

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: What we’ve said is that we are not going to raise utility rates.

JAKE TAPPER: So, you don’t think it’s a threat, is all I’m saying. You don’t think it’s a threat.

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: I think we’re making great progress reducing carbon emissions. America has the cleanest air and water in the world. We’ll continue to use market forces to advance —

JAKE TAPPER: It’s not true. We don’t have the cleanest air and water in the world.

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: I think —

JAKE TAPPER: We don’t, according — I mean — will you get back to me with some statistics and show us?

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: But we’re making — we’re making progress on reducing carbon omissions.

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